Alice In Chains: "It hurts and you miss them, but you still have to live"

Sonisphere Festival, Knebworth, Britain - 02 Aug 2009, Alice In Chains - William Duvall And Jerry Cantrel
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“Classic Rock magazine, eh? Oh man, I knew this was going to happen!” Right now, Alice In Chains drummer Sean Kinney is throwing his

This is not what we expected. Alice In Chains – that growling, mournful monster of a band, masters of melancholy; a group besieged by the demons of huge loss and the weight of years spent in a swirling vortex of substance abuse and successful trappings – actually seem happy to be here. Cantrell and Kinney are sitting in a cavernous studio in downtown LA with fellow chain-smokers bassist Mike Inez and new AIC frontman William DuVall. This is the first time they’ve saddled themselves with an interview of this kind on the cusp of a new release that no one saw coming, least of all them.

It is, dare we say it, a jovial atmosphere – a combination of childlike anticipation and an overriding hunger to define themselves in the aftermath of the death of Layne Staley, their former singer who died a recluse of a cocaine and heroin overdose in 2002, years after the band unofficially dissolved. You only had to witness the exuberant reception that met the reunited Alice In Chains on the live circuit a few years ago to understand that survival is possible, that life does go on. But if you’re wondering whether Alice In Chains are feeling a little insecure about how they’re remembered, how their music fits into the grand scheme of things and how to move forward, then consider this: until this month they hadn’t released a record since 1995. It’s a whopping 22 years since Seattle cohorts Jerry Cantrell and singer Layne Staley formed the band, 19 years since their We Die Young EP and then Facelift took the airwaves by storm and put Alice In Chains – and Seattle – on the map.

Black and blue, Alice In Chains backstage at Sonisphere Festival in 2009

Black and blue, Alice In Chains backstage at Sonisphere Festival in 2009 (Image credit: Getty Images)

Six Grammy nominations, three studio records and eight platinum certifications later, they unofficially disbanded in 1996 because, as they’ll admit today, their associated addictions would have killed them had they continued. But if their de facto reunion in 2005 for a tsunami benefit concert heralded an unabashed return to public view, then their re-formation tour in 2006 with long-time comrade William DuVall upfront was where the next chapter began. Surely they must be surprised to be sitting here as Alice In Chains, with a new album in the can and a new man at the mic?

“Well actually, we’re making it up as we go on,” Cantrell says with a grin. “To put all that weight on Will’s shoulders is unfair. We’re just figuring out how we work as a team. Although the band has changed, we’ve lost Layne, we’ve added Will, and there was no master plan. Playing again in 2005 felt right, so we did the next thing and toured. We did it step by step. It’s more than just making music, and it always has been. We’ve been friends a long time. We’ve been more of a family than most, and it had to be okay from here,” he says, pointing to his heart.

They got back together. They toured again. But, until recently, even the band themselves didn’t see a new Alice In Chains album on even the most distant horizon. And yet here it is: this month sees the release of Black Gives Way To Blue.

The process of songwriting for the new record was handled piecemeal, and Black Gives Way To Blue is very much an amalgamation of riffs and lyrical themes that, as Jerry explains, have been bubbling under in his mind for some time, and the lightning-rod effect of AIC’s three surviving members taking the stage carried with it the spark of creation.

“It all began with the last track,” says Jerry of the album’s show stopper, a homage to their fallen brother that served as both catharsis and catalyst. “It took the wind out of me, I got really sick afterward.”

“It was when Jerry played that down the phone to me that I knew we had something,” adds Sean.

And, more than the album, the loss of Layne Staley still haunts the conversation, and the band’s decision to re-enter the studio in October 2008 with William DuVall wearing Staley’s shoes brought about mixed reactions. To some it was met with jubilation – a band who traded in searing distortion, colossally heavy riffs and even weightier lyrics were returning to the fray with new material. To others it was as if they’d just seen an ex-partner out with someone new. The latter is a sensation that isn’t lost on Alice In Chains themselves.

New faces, Alice In Chains with Layne Staley in 1990 during the filming of the We Die Young video

New faces, Alice In Chains with Layne Staley in 1990 during the filming of the We Die Young video (Image credit: Getty Images)

“Look, it’s a big move to fucking stand up and move on,” says Sean. “Some people, the music connected with them so strongly, their opinions, how they feel about it… It’s amazing that they have such a connection but they seem to act like it happened to them. This happened to us and Layne’s family, not them. This is actually our lives. If we’re okay with it, why can’t you be? This happened to us, this didn’t happen to you. But this album isn’t about that, it’s a bigger universal point. We’re all going to fucking die, we’re all going to lose somebody, and it fucking hurts. How do you move on? This record is us moving on, and hurting. That, to me, is a victory. I already feel like I’ve won.”

There’s a pregnant pause in the conversation, a gap where Sean’s own bandmates seem a little taken aback by what he’s just said. A beat passes, then two, and a smile spreads across Jerry’s face. “Well said,” he confirms.

Of course, regardless of AIC’s intentions in the studio, DuVall has some very big shoes to fill. The combined titanic force of Cantrell’s tortured guitar wail and ghostly harmonies with Layne Staley’s booming croon are the essence of their mesmerising sound. So it’s impressive that William DuVall – striking in appearance, and at 41 looks 15 years younger – has stepped in. Formerly frontman/guitarist with Atlanta rockers Comes With The Fall, he’s not without his own musical pedigree. Most notably he became a collaborator with Cantrell in the tail-end of the 90s when – due to Layne Staley’s increasing reclusiveness – the guitarist needed someone to resonate with creatively.

DuVall has a vastly different stage presence to Staley, and strides confidently through AIC’s back catalogue, but the decision to make him a fully-fledged member of the band and to resurrect themselves in the process wasn’t a world away from the conundrum faced by AC/DC after the death of Bon Scott. “One of my favourite bands was able to continue after their singer died,” Cantrell explains, “and they did that by finding a guy that was unique enough and yet still an individual who could really play those songs. William isn’t trying to sound like Layne, but Alice sounds a certain way and I write a certain way, that’s just the way it is.”

This was no Metallica auditioning a legion of would-be bassists. And soft-spoken William is quick to set the record straight. “It’s not like this thing was glued together and we met on a street three years ago,” he says. “There’s a long story to get to this point. I’ve known these guys almost 10 years now, there’s a lot to get to this. As step-by-step as this has gone, as manic as it has been over the last three years, seven years prior to that our lives converged, and now here we are. We were friends together when Layne was living; he passed while we were on the road.”

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What became Black Gives Way To Blue was an idea that the band grew into, as Alice In Chains were under no compulsion to release an album. It was – as Jerry explains – more a drive to experience catharsis. As recently as 2007 Sean Kinney revealed that he would like to write a new record – but not as Alice In Chains. This, however, was an idea that was quickly overridden as the energy of those shows – 86 in all and covering 22 countries – signalled to all concerned that they were ready to head back into the studio.

“During the whole time we were touring, we went out and we did, like, our own type of thing. It was more a celebration of the music, and we felt really dedicated to it,” Cantrell recalls. “We were kind of playing that and thanking all the people that were supporting us. So we did all that stuff. But you get together for any length of time, and there’s a drum set, somebody’s always rocking on something. If it’s good you record it. And after two years you get a lot of good shit. We started putting our shit together in December 2007. By March we started writing and talking about getting together and working more and starting to mould this shit. But it’s not like we decided to make an album, we just wanted to write. The music became Alice In Chains because that’s who we were again.”

“We just wanted to hear what the shit sounded like,” Kinney says. “We were in Carmen Miranda’s old studio. It’s a very musical place. And everything was so good we decided to record it. It’s a tremendous undertaking, but at the end of it I haven’t felt this good about something since we were kids.”

Whether that jubilance translates to record is another matter. In fact, it sounds more like a sonic exorcism in the wake of Layne’s loss that, more than a tribute, is summed up by the album’s final, show-stopping title track which addresses that tragedy directly, both lyrically and with the simple elegy ‘I don’t want to feel no more/It’s easier to keep falling…’

As a statement on Layne, it works on two levels – his final predicament, and the band’s decision to move on.

“Just the fact that we’re sitting at this table, that’s a testament to how solidified we really are together,” comments Mike. “It’s harder for us than people realise. We had to bury our brother.”

At its heart, the new album is a summation of everything the band have recorded up to this point. It’s the best epitaph and story of survival you’ll hear. As Sean says, rightly: “Everybody will experience loss. Lay down, it hurts, but stand up some day and move on. You miss people and you think about them, but you still have to live.”

This article originally appeared in Classic Rock #137.

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Alexander Milas

Alexander Milas is an erstwhile archaeologist, broadcaster, music journalist and award-winning decade-long ex-editor-in-chief of Metal Hammer magazine. In 2017 he founded Twin V, a creative solutions and production company.  In 2019 he launched the World Metal Congress, a celebration of heavy metal’s global impact and an exploration of the issues affecting its community. His other projects include Space Rocks, a festival space exploration in partnership with the European Space Agency and the Heavy Metal Truants, a charity cycle ride which has raised over a million pounds for four children's charities which he co-founded with Iron Maiden manager Rod Smallwood. He is Eddietor of the official Iron Maiden Fan Club, head of the Heavy Metal Cycling Club, and works closely with Earth Percent, a climate action group. He has a cat named Angus.