Anathema: "We don’t write about politics. Our stuff is a personal story"

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Vincent Cavanagh is in a confident mood. “We’re in the top five bands in this country,” says Anathema’s vocalist and guitarist. “There’s loads of good bands in Britain, and I think we’re right up there with the best of them. Not just in any sub-genre, just in fucking music in general.”

His words aren’t just empty bravado. The Liverpool band’s journey from doom-metal troglodytes to musically and emotionally expansive Floydian frontiersmen is one of rock’s most unlikely yet welcome evolutions. Their eleventh album, The Optimist, is a sequel of sorts to 2001’s A Fine Day To Exit, which dealt with the last moments of a man on the verge of suicide.

The Optimist opens with the sound of someone crawling out of the sea, right?

It’s the character from A Fine Day To Exit pulling himself out of the water, getting back into his car and driving off. The rest of the album takes on the scenes that he experiences – it’s almost like a twenty-four-hour period in his life, where he’s trying to come to terms with everything that’s happened to him, his past life and family, where he is now.

How autobiographical is it?

It’s semi-autobiographical. Our stuff is really confessional and personal. The difference on this record is that we’ve put a surrogate in, which is The Optimist – the guy from A Fine Day To Exit. It adds a level of ambiguity.

The title of the first track, 32.63N 117.14W, is a set of co-ordinates. For what?

It’s the co-ordinates of Silver Strand Beach in San Diego, where the A Fine Day To Exit cover photo was taken. It was The Optimist’s last-known location.

Is that title an ironic reference to what’s going on in the world right now with Donald Trump?

No, it’s nothing to do with anything political or global. We don’t write about politics. Our stuff is a personal story.

What does it refer to, then?

Where it came from originally was a German TV documentary called Die Optimisten, about this refugee from Syria who had made this incredible journey to get to Germany. And in the documentary he was talking about our band – we’re really well-known in Syria. The idea that someone can go through this intense struggle and still keep a positive attitude really resonates. They’re portrayed as a swarm – that’s the term people use, ‘swarm’. You forget about the individuals. They might be the same as your brother or sister or cousin.

On the album’s final track, Back To The Start, there’s what sounds like a football chant buried in the mix.

That’s about a thousand Argentinians singing a football song to us: ‘¡O Argentina, es un sentimiento, ¡no puedo parar! Olé olé olé, olé olé olé olá! ¡Olé olé olé cada día te quiero más!’ It’s a song they sing to the national football team, but they’ve supplanted the word ‘Argentina’ with ‘Anathema’. I’m looking forward to going back and playing that song there to see what they do.

It’s twenty-five years since your first EP. How do you look back on the last quarter-century?

This band is stronger than a marriage. It’s a brotherhood, but it’s deeper. The first thing to remember is that it’s a family first and a band second. You look after each other, your band will be alright.

The Optimist is out on June 9 via Kscope.

Anathema detail new album The Optimist